[eula]

operationguard · Dec 12, 2015

The following is a quote from the Mojang Terms of Usage page:

ask for donations (as opposed to direct charges) IF you do not offer the individual donor something in exchange that only he or she can use. You may offer server wide rewards if donation goals are achieved though.
sell cosmetic items, except for "Capes", IF the item sold does not give a user an unfair gameplay advantage over anyone else on the server - i.e there can be no "pay to win".
sell positive effects or enhancements (other than "Capes") IF everyone on the server is positively affected in exactly the same way.
provide in-game advertising opportunities, sponsorships, or product placement for 3rd parties IF they don't degrade or interfere with gameplay or give a user an unfair gameplay advantage over anyone else on the server.
use in-game currencies IF (i) they are "soft currencies" i.e. a currency earned or expended only through gameplay that has no real world value and that cannot be cashed out, used or transferred across free or paid servers, or converted into "credits"; and (ii) you don't give the impression that it comes from or is associated with Mojang.

So, MassiveCraft is indeed breaching the EULA of Minecraft?

Lord_Aza · Dec 12, 2015

Break the Eula
Have no server at all

Pick one.

Zacatero · Dec 12, 2015

Guys I remember @MonMarty responding to a similar thingy... Something along the lines of... Microsoft doesn't care about the Eula since they took over. I tagged him so he can say it.

xSketchedCrystal · Dec 12, 2015

Okay, let me just say, the EULA is the stupidest thing Mojang /ever/ thought of. It's either break the EULA or no server, like Azazzaa said.

operationguard · Dec 12, 2015

That is not the case though. Im not raging or anything, im just pointing it out

Hypickle

Has premium ranks obviously, but nothing but cosmetic upgrades etc. And its very successful. If a server had people who really wanted to support it, then it would have this?

Lord_Aza · Dec 12, 2015

operationguard said:
That is not the case though. Im not raging or anything, im just pointing it out

Hypickle Has premium ranks obviously, but nothing but cosmetic upgrades etc. And its very successful. If a server had people who really wanted to support it, then it would have this?

Sorry to shoot you down like a duck, but this has already been tried and it didn't work.

operationguard · Dec 12, 2015

Azazaa said:
Sorry to shoot you down like a duck, but this has already been tried and it didn't work.

I was not trying anything

I know, it is massively (See what I did) unfair on non-premium players for PVP. However, I have been premium in the past, I know what its like. I was just curious to see why they are breaking these rules

Zacatero · Dec 12, 2015

operationguard said:
I was not trying anything I know, it is massively (See what I did) unfair on non-premium players for PVP. However, I have been premium in the past, I know what its like. I was just curious to see why they are breaking these rules

Actually the actual fighting here isn't leaning toward premiums, it's pretty equal. The only PVP related bonus is the keep inventory. But even then you can't have attacked within 30 seconds of dying.

operationguard · Dec 12, 2015

znake1468 said:
Actually the actual fighting here isn't leaning toward premiums, it's pretty equal. The only PVP related bonus is the keep inventory. But even then you can't have attacked within 30 seconds of dying.

And:
15% less damage
mcmmo cooldown
mcmmo gain

Enkiduu · Dec 12, 2015

operationguard said:
Hypickle Has premium ranks obviously, but nothing but cosmetic upgrades etc. And its very successful.

Presumably that's a hub server with minigames with a different target audience; in other words it functions completely differently than Massivecraft. If you want to compare servers, you should make sure the comparisons are valid.

operationguard said:
If a server had people who really wanted to support it, then it would have this?

Ideally, ideally, that would be nice. But of course real life isn't always ideal, is it? So in practice, no, unfortunately. People need the incentives to support the server. If I recall, in the past several prem features were made available for non-prems as well. After a while, the number of donations dropped far below expectations so they had to readd certain features for premiums.

Zacatero · Dec 12, 2015

Enkiduu said:
Ideally, ideally, that would be nice. But of course real life isn't always ideal, is it? So in practice,no, unfortunately. People need the incentives to support the server. If I recall, in the past several prem features were made available for non-prems as well. After a while, the number of donations dropped far below expectations so they had to readd certain features for premiums.

This is very true. The server needs income to function. It's a lot easier to get donations if they are incentivized.

65jes89 · Dec 12, 2015

Microsoft no longer enforces the Eula, except in very extreme cases. You may as well lock this now. Massive has been down this road before, and it lasted all of 3 or 4 months before we started running out of funding.

operationguard · Dec 12, 2015

Enkiduu said:
Presumably that's a hub server with minigames with a different target audience; in other words it functions completely differently than Massivecraft. If you want to compare servers, you should make sure the comparisons are valid.

Ideally, ideally, that would be nice. But of course real life isn't always ideal, is it? So in practice, no, unfortunately. People need the incentives to support the server. If I recall, in the past several prem features were made available for non-prems as well. After a while, the number of donations dropped far below expectations so they had to readd certain features for premiums.

znake1468 said:
This is very true. The server needs income to function. It's a lot easier to get donations if they are incentivized.

Yes. However, any mine craft server has the same principals. The comparison is completely valid. Massivecraft, being RP, has infinite possibilities to have items that could be used for RP only for premium users. Visual changes, etc.

Enkiduu · Dec 12, 2015

operationguard said:
Yes. However, any mine craft server has the same principals. The comparison is completely valid. Massivecraft, being RP, has infinite possibilities to have items that could be used for RP only for premium users. Visual changes, etc.

Yes, that's the way it already is currently with emotes, trails, pets, loring items, etc. But what about the rest of the playerbase, the PvPers/Survivalists/Faction players? What cosmetic incentives would convince them to donate?

any mine craft server has the same principals.

Different servers target different audiences, with different gameplay, limitations, and features. A creative server would function differently than a hardcore one. A server with less than a hundred players has different needs than one with thousands.

My point is that hub servers with mini-games usually have a significantly larger and more broad playerbase unlike Massive which is directed towards a more specific audience. Even if they have a high ratio of people who don't donate, the sheer amount of players that do would largely make up for that.

Omnomivore · Dec 12, 2015

When the EULA rules were updated, Massivecraft was the first server to become EULA compliant by altering our premium package to be cosmetic and giving all players certain features which had been premium only. During this time awesome features such as pets, trails, player lore, self color, etc were introduced. After a couple months the changes were reverted, though the cosmetic additions were kept as additional features to the premium package.

You can read all about the decision and why it happened here:

https://forums.massivecraft.com/threads/donations-policy-reversal.22187/

HeartAched · Dec 12, 2015

znake1468 said:
Actually the actual fighting here isn't leaning toward premiums, it's pretty equal. The only PVP related bonus is the keep inventory. But even then you can't have attacked within 30 seconds of dying.

Wrong. They also take less damage from all players. There are many pvp benefits to premium, and that's just one of them.

Lord_Aza · Dec 12, 2015

HeartAched said:
Wrong. They also take less damage from all players. There are many pvp benefits to premium, and that's just one of them.

Not to mention traits...

thor5648 · Dec 12, 2015

I just wish massive would get rid of all the premium advantages in pvp... It is very annoying, not to mention it majorly divides two divisions of pvpers

ChensSpaghetti · Dec 13, 2015

operationguard said:
However, any mine craft server has the same principals.

Inventory Split Incoming

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