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Inventory Split Incoming
MassiveCraft will be implementing an inventory split across game modes to improve fairness, balance, and player experience. Each game mode (Roleplay and Survival) will have its own dedicated inventory going forward. To help players prepare, we’ve opened a special storage system to safeguard important items during the transition. For full details, read the announcement here: Game Mode Inventory Split blog post.
Your current inventories, backpacks, and ender chest are in the shared Medieval inventory. When the new Roleplay inventory is created and assigned to the roleplay world(s) you will lose access to your currently stored items.
Important Dates
- April 1: Trunk storage opens.
- May 25: Final day to submit items for storage.
- June 1: Inventories are officially split.
Please make sure to submit any items you wish to preserve in the trunk storage or one of the roleplay worlds before the deadline. After the split, inventories will no longer carry over between game modes.
DrFong
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Bring back not dropping inventory on death and I would consider roleplaying in factions again. Without that it's just not worth the risk of losing valuable rp props and masks.
I use factions as a storage area only, but used to be a big advocate for faction rp. Then the fire nation attacked Osai.
I use factions as a storage area only, but used to be a big advocate for faction rp. Then the fire nation attacked Osai.
Ah Viridian Crusade , Yeah but i feel like u should be able to rp. backpack your valuables if u get the chance , make it so they are replaceable honestly.
DrFong
The Knave of Rats
No thanks. That's a deal breaker for me.
I'll stick with Regalia where all my stuff is safe and the whole world has been built with roleplaying in mind.
I don't currently see any advantage to roleplaying in factions.
It could help t
Besides it helping the community of factions too and potential Rp
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I'm a big advocate for a siege system or plugin that would make PvP a bit less "try to find a way in then kill everyone/wait outside and flame at people inside" and more "If people attack there will be a battle outside but it would usually last long enough for us to have fun RPing it out"
Even better if there's some incentive NOT to kill people that have no loot on them.
Idk though. Once Celetil gets it's based moved we are gonna focus hard on some RP events
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Regalia killed Faction RP, in part by being built around the assumption that the factions don't really exist. I don't see it returning until we can have lore integration with the faction worlds that's not primarily PVP focused.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The lore needs to account for things like MassiveMobs and MassiveMagic. Otherwise, it's hard to RP in faction worlds because you have to ignore major game mechanics. RP has become a separate game in a separate meta-universe unconnected to the server and its plugins.
The move toward this "strict" RP, while good for some things, has had disastrous effects on the health of the faction worlds.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The lore needs to account for things like MassiveMobs and MassiveMagic. Otherwise, it's hard to RP in faction worlds because you have to ignore major game mechanics. RP has become a separate game in a separate meta-universe unconnected to the server and its plugins.
The move toward this "strict" RP, while good for some things, has had disastrous effects on the health of the faction worlds.
Maytee
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People have been trying, kinda hard when @hardname12 and @MyCatBubbles and @lwfrenzy slaughter people at rp events
Viscar
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People must really suck at securing events if the same people keep crashing them
If I was an RPer "helping the community of factions" wouldn't make me want to RP there anymore, doesn't provide any kind of advantage to roleplay there in comparison to Regalia
Regardless these people should recognise that it's bad for the server and they should stop doing it.
Granted, there is idiocy on both sides.
I mean it is a little BS when Regalian RP events can get warps set up, stuff built, NPCs placed, and occasionally even lore items made... But when its a Factions RP event... the staff are like "We cant give you staff help" Like im sure non-pvp related events would be much more frequent in factions worlds if we could get the same staff help as Regalian events get. Not asking for more, and im not even saying that factions should get an unreasonable level of staff help, because its the same level that is already given to the RPers in Regalia
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I don't enjoy getting the PVP equivalent of the NRA shitting on me for trying to take away "muh guns" by protecting roleplayers in survival worlds. These protections never existed in the past, and adding them on top will just result in more anger from the PVP survivalists who want to not have their raiding freedoms limited by roleplayers who they already see as the devil and usurping their control of the survival worlds.
Regalia will always outclass survival in terms of roleplay quality, because much like a chessgame, Regalia doesn't allow a random stranger to just walk up to you and another person, pick up your chessgame, toss it on the floor and then walk off. Regalia has always been the centralized answer to a concurring problem: PVP no happy if not kill. RP no happy if kill. There is no compromise when the situation is that black and white.
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Unfortunately you can't have your cake and eat it too. Roleplay and PvP on Massive as far as I have come to learn has been a rather rocky road and have diverged drastically. Each is separated to their own camp, mixing at this point doesn't seem obtainable as it presently stands. Of course, there is a probability you're not alone in the matter. @SubscriptShark Perhaps seek out those individuals, whether amongst your peers or anyone that divulges their stance here that agree with you. Together you could actually devise a proposal to Massive's staff on achieving this or mending the divergence. But that in itself will be a long an arduous task, and its been a few years steeped. As it stands though, if it were to remain as it is no harm would come to Massivecraft as a whole I'd reckon.
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This is just wrong.
I have had conversations with several staff members and they have told me that before the Staff actively tried to help Factions recover (i.e. after the removal of Gethelp etc.) premium donations increased, playercount increased, and concurrent player count increased. Catering to factions is in the staff's best interest (although Roleplay must be cared for as well). The staff's number one priority at this point should be to build bridges between the two.
I think you misunderstood what I meant
With crisis of kings the general attitude has changed in the survival community, when it comes to rp in survival. Since events are part of the crisis... That's why I was asking if it would make sense for staff to allow protection or warps or other setups for approved events.
I will say, that is the best analogy I've heard about the NRA and takin mah guns from somebody who isn't in the US. You're right, this pretty much was the exact same thing.
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I've always wanted for region-protected RP areas in Survival, mainly the Spawns really which can already be used for this ish. The build quality in a lot of the spawns seems to be lagging behind though, coupled with no real reason to bother.
Updating the Spawns of the maps that are staying, adding a tavern 'hub' to each, maybe dotting a couple simple quests around and some rent regions (with chest/dispenser placing off if possible to avoid vaults in protected zones) and it could potentially spark some interest.
Another thing for events: In Regalia, we have specific areas that are set up to be event-friendly, like halls, the clearing in the park, a few outdoor jousting and carnival areas, etc. Something like that near spawns with arenas and dining halls etc that people can do Event Assistance Threads for- both for Survival and RP events, would be cool. (Let people pick PVP on/off in the area in the thread for arenas to solve that).
Updating the Spawns of the maps that are staying, adding a tavern 'hub' to each, maybe dotting a couple simple quests around and some rent regions (with chest/dispenser placing off if possible to avoid vaults in protected zones) and it could potentially spark some interest.
Another thing for events: In Regalia, we have specific areas that are set up to be event-friendly, like halls, the clearing in the park, a few outdoor jousting and carnival areas, etc. Something like that near spawns with arenas and dining halls etc that people can do Event Assistance Threads for- both for Survival and RP events, would be cool. (Let people pick PVP on/off in the area in the thread for arenas to solve that).
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Is it wrong to believe two totally different ideologies cannot co-exist? I never said it was impossible, or not obtainable. I said it would be a difficult road for all of us to go down. I haven't contradicted either whether this was true or not, I simply don't know cause I wasn't present. I'm going off of word of mouth, and previous experiences from other mediums when PvP and RP mixed realms. Apparently you have heard a rather different side than I. But that's what's beautiful about a post like this is because we can actually narrow down details. Building bridges is what I suggested in my original response.
Simply put, there needs to be a plan. Not a poll.
DrFong
The Knave of Rats
Here is the other problem that hasn't been mentioned. RP requires concentrated groups of people. That's what Regalia does. It concentrates all the roleplayers in one place.
Add the ability to roleplay everywhere and it will dilute the number of roleplayers in any given place. Instead of 50 people roleplaying at the Willow Tavern it could potentially be 2 people roleplaying at each of 25 different taverns spread across many maps.
I just don't think we have the population to spread the rp community that thin.
Add the ability to roleplay everywhere and it will dilute the number of roleplayers in any given place. Instead of 50 people roleplaying at the Willow Tavern it could potentially be 2 people roleplaying at each of 25 different taverns spread across many maps.
I just don't think we have the population to spread the rp community that thin.
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Dont be that guy
Maybe a good first step would be to recognize the crisis of kings factions in the lore first. Maybe have the factions come to Regalia for a meeting with the emperor or something like that, or kind of work as a charter.
I thought that some factions would finally be made lore friendly with crisis of kings but that really hasnt happened.
I thought that some factions would finally be made lore friendly with crisis of kings but that really hasnt happened.
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That is by definition not true. The vast majority of the COK factions that applied for Lore canonization received it.
I know roleplayers are often scared to go outside with their valuable RP lore items but I have always said that we need more RP in the faction worlds.
I am not saying that Regalia should be reduced in importance to RP but we should try and encourage more RP events to be held outside of factions. Faction leaders should try and organise events (that are secure). Through this we can encourage more RP in a survival setting.
One thing I would like to see is the slight de-centralisation of lore focus on Regalia. The Regalian lore system is extremely efficient and well written but I think factions should be allowed to declare themselves as their own sovereign entities, supervised by lore staff of course. I think our own lore should be considered for canonisation along with Regalian lore. Aloria shouldn't be a world of a single superstate but instead I think Hadar should be cornered off from Regalia. We shouldn't be allowed to declare war on Regalia but we should be recognised as actual states.
If we could write our own lore and staff could review it, we could create a rich and in-depth narrative for players to roleplay to in their faction. Of course safety is another issue and that is something that needs to be taken into account.
I am not saying that Regalia should be reduced in importance to RP but we should try and encourage more RP events to be held outside of factions. Faction leaders should try and organise events (that are secure). Through this we can encourage more RP in a survival setting.
One thing I would like to see is the slight de-centralisation of lore focus on Regalia. The Regalian lore system is extremely efficient and well written but I think factions should be allowed to declare themselves as their own sovereign entities, supervised by lore staff of course. I think our own lore should be considered for canonisation along with Regalian lore. Aloria shouldn't be a world of a single superstate but instead I think Hadar should be cornered off from Regalia. We shouldn't be allowed to declare war on Regalia but we should be recognised as actual states.
If we could write our own lore and staff could review it, we could create a rich and in-depth narrative for players to roleplay to in their faction. Of course safety is another issue and that is something that needs to be taken into account.
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I'll try and be concise (that will end up being a wall of text, like usual) to explain the Lore Staff stance, to highlight what we consider deal breaking issues:
On a more anecdotal basis (thus probably less represented in fact, but still applicable):
I have, at times, attempted to encourage localized Survival RP in the past year. The first attempt was in Mithril, where BullyTheScroofy wanted to create a roleplay spot away from Regalia in the colonies for colonial roleplay, and the second time was where I tried to set up my current Survival faction VillaRavello. Before we managed to finish the first building, we were raided. Billy was killed, myself and another builder managed to escape underground. For the next 2 hours, said PVP'er taunted me in General chat accusing me of cheating and using staff powers. I then had to report the player, and face a counter report where I had to spend over an hour defending myself by dragging up server logs to show I had no staff related commands active and he simply didn't see me slip into an underground bunker while engaged in PVP with BullyTheScroofy. In the case of VillaRavello it was even more nonsensical. On day one I got lol enemy'd just because it was my faction. The raiders in question have since neutralled me again, but it's obviously not constructive to survival Rp if I cannot even begin building my faction where roleplay is supposed to take place because some twats who live in a completely different world think it's fun to fuck with me.
This is the endemic issue of Survival Roleplay. Everyone in Survival wants roleplayers back, but when they finally get there, they are expected to just "suck it up" and tolerate abuse even though they could simply choose not to, and to even more ludicrous levels are expected to defend themselves for choosing to pick their own satisfaction over others. Alternatively, it's the same people who want roleplayers back who will take torch and pitchfork and verbally assault staff for "ruining" the server if any protections are afforded to these roleplayers that those same people refuse to give. I love metaphors so I'll toss one more in: It's like staff trying to plug holes in a boat while some jerk keeps poking new holes in all the while screaming; "KEEP THE BOAT AFLOAT, KEEP IT FLOATING"
- Only 3 of the 16 people in Lore Staff chat come from Survival (myself, SupremeCripple and LumosJared). All the others are so called "Regalia Natives" who never roleplayed in Survival. This is a reflection of the Roleplay community at large, the fact that survivalists who were "stolen" to Regalia are a dying breed. This is often one of the biggest misconceptions of these "Bring RP back to Survival" arguments, ignoring the fact that Regalia grew its own population. This population feels no responsibility to engage with the survival side of the server.
- For the people who did leave Survival, there is surprisingly little reason to come back. drFong accurately underpins the issue that largely plagues roleplay in survival: The fact that anyone can just walk up to your roleplay scene, kill everyone and then camp the scene, thus killing the roleplay from completing. A PVP'er might say "Suck it up", but I'd love to see them have the same attitude if someone pulls the plug out of their PC when they are in a tight fight against Tokuu. If the choice exists between being able to enjoy what you want without interruptions, compared to constantly being interrupted, the former will always be chosen.
- Appeals for this return are often surprisingly self motivated. They come from the same kind of people who either think roleplayers are sad people, but want to see them back in the survival worlds so they can be killed over and over for phat l00t dr0ps. On the flip side there are people who cannot satiate their own roleplay desires in the world of Regalia itself, coincidentally log on once every 2 weeks, and then try to direct guilt at roleplayers who have never even interacted with Survival that they are responsible for bad gameplay experiences there.
On a more anecdotal basis (thus probably less represented in fact, but still applicable):
I have, at times, attempted to encourage localized Survival RP in the past year. The first attempt was in Mithril, where BullyTheScroofy wanted to create a roleplay spot away from Regalia in the colonies for colonial roleplay, and the second time was where I tried to set up my current Survival faction VillaRavello. Before we managed to finish the first building, we were raided. Billy was killed, myself and another builder managed to escape underground. For the next 2 hours, said PVP'er taunted me in General chat accusing me of cheating and using staff powers. I then had to report the player, and face a counter report where I had to spend over an hour defending myself by dragging up server logs to show I had no staff related commands active and he simply didn't see me slip into an underground bunker while engaged in PVP with BullyTheScroofy. In the case of VillaRavello it was even more nonsensical. On day one I got lol enemy'd just because it was my faction. The raiders in question have since neutralled me again, but it's obviously not constructive to survival Rp if I cannot even begin building my faction where roleplay is supposed to take place because some twats who live in a completely different world think it's fun to fuck with me.
This is the endemic issue of Survival Roleplay. Everyone in Survival wants roleplayers back, but when they finally get there, they are expected to just "suck it up" and tolerate abuse even though they could simply choose not to, and to even more ludicrous levels are expected to defend themselves for choosing to pick their own satisfaction over others. Alternatively, it's the same people who want roleplayers back who will take torch and pitchfork and verbally assault staff for "ruining" the server if any protections are afforded to these roleplayers that those same people refuse to give. I love metaphors so I'll toss one more in: It's like staff trying to plug holes in a boat while some jerk keeps poking new holes in all the while screaming; "KEEP THE BOAT AFLOAT, KEEP IT FLOATING"
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An empty title if they cannot do anything with it
Thank you for spending your time to analyse this so in-depth. Yes, roleplayers get a lot of shit from PvPers who somehow never get bored of "dropping in" to RP events (Darts eyes at Hardname and Bubbles). I understand the RP community will never return because of this but it's still would be a cool prospect of people roleplaying in factions.
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MassiveCraft, Regalia, and roleplay by extension run on Meritocracy. If they want to be recognized in Regalia, they need to do something for Regalia. Posting a Progression for a Faction isn't going to cut it. They get cut in line "far enough" by being given a right that most roleplayers in Regalia don't have, which is a semblance of power. That is called the compromise, but a compromise comes both ways. As far as I can see it, none of them bar Valorian have really tried to do anything /with/ the Regalians instead of /at/ the Regalians, while the Regalians continue to engage COK people and welcome them at their hosted Events.
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Dont be that guy
Why not just host an event in Regalia centered around introducing the COK factions to the lore. They probably havent come to Regalia because they havent had any incentive to.
If they dont show up to it, fine, they want no part in roleplay. But if they do I think that steps should be made to further include them in the lore.
Is it a bit unfair to those roleplayers who have worked hard on their noble families and still have little power? Yeah, but whats a little unfairness if it starts to merge the roleplay and factions world together?
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Why can't they just... do it themselves? Our Nobles do? Whenever anyone new joins the system they host an event for themselves.
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Dont be that guy
Because most of them have spent all their time in the factions world and know next to nothing about Regalia, how it works, and hosting an event. They are gonna need a reason to start to want to do anything there.
Hadar and anything that happens in Hadar happens far away from Regalian citizens. It's like they just know the events happening there months later because some travelling bards sing the songs of events that happened in Hadar. Regalians also don't have to recognize what's happening in Hadar. This also goes the same the other way. At the moment CoK forces neither side to interact with the other. It's all on voluntary basis and players can pick the play-style that suits them best. Be that strict Regalian RP, factions RP, PvP, CoK, just the survivalist mode or a mix of several play-styles - and it should stay that way. Within CoK all play-styles co-exist, as long as we respect each other.
So far most of our factions' stories were made lore compliant. This maybe doesn't give faction players advantages over Regalians and the King or Queen of Hadar may not be recognized as noble in Regalia, but that doesn't mean the title is for naught. It means your name, your house is out there in the lore. Your faction members can go to Regalia, claim they are from Hadar and belong to a Great House. Before CoK this wasn't possible. Even though Regalians don't have to recognize Hadarians and don't have to pay the same respect to the King or Queen of Hadar they would to a noble, the whole concept still makes it easier to engage with RPers in Regalia and to start RP there. It's easier to use your faction's background to come up with a background story or reason for your character to be in Regalia, to sit in the tavern and tell tales of Hadar, to look for trade opportunities for your Great House or to engage with the noble system in Regalia and start the path that can make your character a noble.
In regards to events I understand it's hard to organize something that will be raided and "destroyed" in factions. I think the main problem here is that most don't seem to see that events in factions are simply not the same as events in Regalia. They are different and should be organised differently. If you want your event to be safe, please hire guards or mercenaries (PvPers) to protect your event, or use the safe zones around the world spawns. Granted, I understand that the safe zones need updating in terms of building style to compete with Regalia, but that should still not stop you to use them to organize an event.
I also understand that those areas sometimes don't cater for events in your Great House, like for example a wedding. (Uh yes, weddings are dangerous in Hadar.) CoK was formed with Games of Thrones in mind and how boring would a red wedding be if no slaughter is happening? What I'm trying to say is: If your event gets raided, make a story out of it that includes the raid. We could have one of the most amazing progression posts from Insani, if they manage to make the one about their recent wedding lore compliant (thank you Lore staff to guide them in this!). In short: their internal politics lead a close member of the leader of House Athius to betray them and cause a slaughter at the wedding of their leader to another former Great House leader. That event may have been "destroyed" in the eyes of some, but in mine it was one of the most successful faction events we ever had, because of the story it created.
In other words: Hadar is rough. It's dangerous. It's not protected. And it shouldn't be. You might have to bp your lore items (or just use /lored and /named ones you can simply recreate if you lose them) or you might have to run underground, but you could be part of lore written by players for players. It's a different form of progression than the one happening in Regalia and it needs dedicated players to make it that way. Hadarians should aim to create events, stories and CoK Progression in order to interest RPrs to join them. Just as Regalians do in Regalia. Staff can't do this alone, we need the help of all Hadarians to accomplish this.
So far most of our factions' stories were made lore compliant. This maybe doesn't give faction players advantages over Regalians and the King or Queen of Hadar may not be recognized as noble in Regalia, but that doesn't mean the title is for naught. It means your name, your house is out there in the lore. Your faction members can go to Regalia, claim they are from Hadar and belong to a Great House. Before CoK this wasn't possible. Even though Regalians don't have to recognize Hadarians and don't have to pay the same respect to the King or Queen of Hadar they would to a noble, the whole concept still makes it easier to engage with RPers in Regalia and to start RP there. It's easier to use your faction's background to come up with a background story or reason for your character to be in Regalia, to sit in the tavern and tell tales of Hadar, to look for trade opportunities for your Great House or to engage with the noble system in Regalia and start the path that can make your character a noble.
In regards to events I understand it's hard to organize something that will be raided and "destroyed" in factions. I think the main problem here is that most don't seem to see that events in factions are simply not the same as events in Regalia. They are different and should be organised differently. If you want your event to be safe, please hire guards or mercenaries (PvPers) to protect your event, or use the safe zones around the world spawns. Granted, I understand that the safe zones need updating in terms of building style to compete with Regalia, but that should still not stop you to use them to organize an event.
I also understand that those areas sometimes don't cater for events in your Great House, like for example a wedding. (Uh yes, weddings are dangerous in Hadar.) CoK was formed with Games of Thrones in mind and how boring would a red wedding be if no slaughter is happening? What I'm trying to say is: If your event gets raided, make a story out of it that includes the raid. We could have one of the most amazing progression posts from Insani, if they manage to make the one about their recent wedding lore compliant (thank you Lore staff to guide them in this!). In short: their internal politics lead a close member of the leader of House Athius to betray them and cause a slaughter at the wedding of their leader to another former Great House leader. That event may have been "destroyed" in the eyes of some, but in mine it was one of the most successful faction events we ever had, because of the story it created.
In other words: Hadar is rough. It's dangerous. It's not protected. And it shouldn't be. You might have to bp your lore items (or just use /lored and /named ones you can simply recreate if you lose them) or you might have to run underground, but you could be part of lore written by players for players. It's a different form of progression than the one happening in Regalia and it needs dedicated players to make it that way. Hadarians should aim to create events, stories and CoK Progression in order to interest RPrs to join them. Just as Regalians do in Regalia. Staff can't do this alone, we need the help of all Hadarians to accomplish this.
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Sooo, they need a reason to interact with Regalia but you want the players from Regalia to enter the survival worlds without incentive? How is that right? Hosting an event is about as easy as choosing an event venue from the assistance thread which fits your idea (ball, hunt, tournament, whatever), requesting changes to said venue (which 99/100 times are accepted), and then executing it. There is also an event guide right here for those new to hosting.
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Dont be that guy
When did I say that? I spend pretty much all my time in Regalia.
Im just being realistic, faction players have no reason to want to come to Regalia.
if we try to get a couple factions to possibly do something together sometimes it could be a decent start honestly.?
Thank you sephite , and also I think this has been mentioned Alot but is there no way Embassys could become a thing again in regalia like The old ones?
Not as of now. We still need more Great Houses in the contest for the Crown of Hadar before maybe re-considering this idea. For any other ideas, complaints or comments around CoK I invite anyone to the bi-weekly meeting in TS on Sundays (next one tomorrow at 6pm GMT - 24 hours from now).
DrFong
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Like MM mentioned, it's a Meritocracy. Come participate in Regalia. Show the people there that your faction should matter to them. You might be surprised at the outcome.
You don't need staff support. You can do it yourself. What about renting property and starting your own embassy? Make it busy and exciting and you will catch the eyes of the right people. Put on events!
I've never once in 5 years been approached in character by someone claiming to be an emissary from a faction of a faraway land looking for Regalian support. Regalia is a roleplay city. Give us a reason in character to care about you and your faction.
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