Just General Vampire Stuffs.

[Ovoran]

So I figured I would make a thread where one could mingle and talk about vampire stuff. Maybe state their struggles and get some advice from more experienced players who are willing to help them. Please no flaming or being rude in here. This is supposed to be a fun random thread where people can enjoy a talk about those that stalk the night. Bla!

Here I will start. Can somebody explain to me why vampires can't be good? Is it because none of them are mentally stable? But if that if that's the case then that doesn't seem right to me. Just because somebody isn't mentally stable doesn't mean they are a bad person, it just means that they can be dangerous. I feel like I am missing something about vampires here, if somebody could kindly elaborate for me one what is so evil about them then I would be very happy.

There's a good starting topic. Feel free to steer off and bring up new topics. But let's try to keep it strictly to vampires of massive. We don't want this to turn into John Cena #rekts airhorns 2053: Illuminati edition.

 

[Karmesian]

I think what makes vampires evil is the fact that they need to drink the blood of the innocent to survive, and that its a minor form of possession, which could be considered inherently evil.

 

[xSketchedCrystal]

I think what makes vampires evil is the fact that they need to drink the blood of the innocent to survive, and that its a minor form of possession, which could be considered inherently evil.

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But, people infected with vampirism aren't immediately evil. They could be kind and caring, then be infected. That bit of them would still be there, wouldn't it? They might be sad about having to drink other peoples blood to survive. They might not want to get the cure because they're nervous of mages. Things like these you have to take into account.

 

[Kosen]

I feel like I am missing something about vampires here, if somebody could kindly elaborate for me one what is so evil about them then I would be very happy.

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Vampyrism is a mild form of Malice Possession if I'm correct, I think that's why they can't be "Good" so to speak, Because they're inclined to do "malicious" acts or something. Apart from this, They suffer from dissociation of some sort so I guess they don't really form much of a liking towards others.

people infected with vampirism aren't immediately evil. They could be kind and caring, then be infected. That bit of them would still be there, wouldn't it? They might be sad about having to drink other peoples blood to survive.

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If they're sad about it, They'd be inclined to get cured. About the whole "instantly evil" thing. I've no idea whether or not it's implied that they turn evil the moment they're infected- Or if like you said they retain a part of themselves. I Might need to go information hunting later on

 

[Karmesian]

But, people infected with vampirism aren't immediately evil. They could be kind and caring, then be infected. That bit of them would still be there, wouldn't it? They might be sad about having to drink other peoples blood to survive. They might not want to get the cure because they're nervous of mages. Things like these you have to take into account.

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Most vampires also have a whole host of mental problems which make that unlikely they would be kind or caring, and even if they were, causing harm to others is normal considered an evil act, even if they don't want to. Further, although some vampires may be benevolent, you would also need to consider that most probably aren't. There is also the whole minor possession, which is enough to call them evil, in some ways.

 

[leichendame]

Well, I find vampires evil because they let a horrid disease infect their body.They LET it happen.They DIDN'T go see a doctor.I don't know why the violet order even bothers giving vampires a second chance.

 

[Rochelle_]

But, people infected with vampirism aren't immediately evil. They could be kind and caring, then be infected. That bit of them would still be there, wouldn't it? They might be sad about having to drink other peoples blood to survive. They might not want to get the cure because they're nervous of mages. Things like these you have to take into account.

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Maybe you could play them as a nice guy? Just with minor/major socio/psychopathic tendencies? Like Sherlock with fangs.

 

[leichendame]

What if there were vampires like this.They're all nice and normal for a few.THEN OUT OF NOWHERE THEY GO BERSERK RAAAAAWR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kosen]

They're all nice and normal for a few.THEN OUT OF NOWHERE THEY GO BERSERK RAAAAAWR

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Sounds like a threatened Beguiled XD.

 

[FeyWitches]

Well, I find vampires evil because they let a horrid disease infect their body.They LET it happen.They DIDN'T go see a doctor.I don't know why the violet order even bothers giving vampires a second chance.

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Well I want to comment this... Vampires in the making feel sick, like a flue... Before they could figure it out, they are already weak, tired, and unstable to even get a cure... By the time they are turned, their mentality refuses.... So most do let it, but a lot don't want to... Even if they see a doctor, they probably will diagnose them a sickness if in the early stages.

 

[FeyWitches]

I also do have a question... If a person has a family and cares for them for the utmost max (Like literally they would rather die than to see his family hurt), would they show dislike towards these members of the family? would a part still love them? Would they think of hurting their family?

 

[MonMarty]

Vampires are like anti-vaccers. They may be nice people, but because of them simply existing people still get sick and die. Collateral damage makes them evil.

 

[Suzzie]

If anyone was really good and became a vampire, they'd cure themselves because they live off of blood to survive like leeches.
In a sense you can go to say they're cannibals.

Sure, they can have good morals. But that doesn't make them angels and saints.

 

[Beetletoes]

If anyone was really good and became a vampire, they'd cure themselves because they live off of blood to survive like leeches.
In a sense you can go to say they're cannibals.

Sure, they can have good morals. But that doesn't make them angels and saints.

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Hey. Leeches are pretty fuckin' cool. But yeah that doesn't mean they're good I guess.

 

[Ovoran]

I am very happy with the way this thread is going so far. And I thank Marty for coming in as well and helping out. I would like to remind people that this will not turn into a flame war. If it does I will be forced to have the thread locked.

 

[BulbousDevourer]

I have a few issues with vampire roleplay that makes me hesitant to play one, even though I would like to. For one thing, it's nearly impossible to roleplay as a vampire that does it's best to blend into society when your skin has red eyes. This is especially true for the bloodlines that have very bright red eyes. No matter how dark the area is, no matter how far the person is from you, they will still see your red eyes, immediately know you're a vampire, and will sometimes do one of two things. First, they might run off and avoid your character. Second, they might attack you or report your character to the guards. These scenarios don't always happen, but it's not exactly unheard of, either. I even tried to play as a Qul'Ess once, and the first person I saw started chasing me all through the poor district. Your only real option to play a bloodline like a Qul'Ess is to live in the sewers. At least there, not everyone is quite so eager to run to the hills yelling, "Vampire! Someone help!"

Something else that bothers me about vampire roleplay is the feeding. For one thing, not many people are willing to subject their character to the trauma or possible death that comes with a vampire attack. They're usually perfectly content to sit in the park drinking tea with their roleplay clique. If someone does happen to be willing to allow you to feed on their character, they'll still recognize your skin, even if it's in an alley in the middle of the night. So, some of the more inexperienced roleplayers will call for the guards if you wander in the tavern and they happen to be there as well, or maybe they'll just attack you. Even if someone has the respect and common sense to not do this, they'll still probably just meta-game and avoid your character, essentially sealing off any chances of further roleplay with said person. I can understand this happening if a long, drawn out conversation happens before the feeding, but a random attack in the poor district in the middle of the night? Again, this isn't always the case, but it does happen often for vampire characters, because violence is needed to realistically roleplay one. You could just feed on NPC's, but that kind of ruins the fun of the whole experience.

Please don't assault me with replies of "Oh, I would never do that". If that's the case, great, but I'm not talking about people like you. I'm talking about the people who DO do these things.

 

[Ovoran]

I have a few issues with vampire roleplay that makes me hesitant to play one, even though I would like to. For one thing, it's nearly impossible to roleplay as a vampire that does it's best to blend into society when your skin has red eyes. This is especially true for the bloodlines that have very bright red eyes. No matter how dark the area is, no matter how far the person is from you, they will still see your red eyes, immediately know you're a vampire, and will sometimes do one of two things. First, they might run off and avoid your character. Second, they might attack you or report your character to the guards. These scenarios don't always happen, but it's not exactly unheard of, either. I even tried to play as a Qul'Ess once, and the first person I saw started chasing me all through the poor district. Your only real option to play a bloodline like a Qul'Ess is to live in the sewers. At least there, not everyone is quite so eager to run to the hills yelling, "Vampire! Someone help!"

Something else that bothers me about vampire roleplay is the feeding. For one thing, not many people are willing to subject their character to the trauma or possible death that comes with a vampire attack. They're usually perfectly content to sit in the park drinking tea with their roleplay clique. If someone does happen to be willing to allow you to feed on their character, they'll still recognize your skin, even if it's in an alley in the middle of the night. So, some of the more inexperienced roleplayers will call for the guards if you wander in the tavern and they happen to be there as well, or maybe they'll just attack you. Even if someone has the respect and common sense to not do this, they'll still probably just meta-game and avoid your character, essentially sealing off any chances of further roleplay with said person. I can understand this happening if a long, drawn out conversation happens before the feeding, but a random attack in the poor district in the middle of the night? Again, this isn't always the case, but it does happen often for vampire characters, because violence is needed to realistically roleplay one. You could just feed on NPC's, but that kind of ruins the fun of the whole experience.

Please don't assault me with replies of "Oh, I would never do that". If that's the case, great, but I'm not talking about people like you. I'm talking about the people who DO do these things.

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First I would like to say thank you for bringing another topic to the table. Second a bit of input I have with your first problem regarding the eyes. Have you ever had a flashlight shined at your face while you are in the dark? It's hard to even tell what the person looks like right? Sort of appear as just a black figure. I have a character who is a Qul'Ess, granted he lives in the sewers, but I have him carry a candle around with him in the sewers. And when he encounters people I be sure to make an emote saying how he holds the candle in such a way that the shadows help hide his face, making it so that meta-gaming what you character looks like is almost impossible. Granted it can still happen, but I find the best way to feed on people and avoid meta game as a vampire is to firstly pick your targets wisely. While I am not saying to not RP with newer players as a vampire I would say that flat out attacking them might not be a good idea as some of them need to learn still that meta-game and certain things play into the environment. Now, if you are willing to help the new player and explain to them these things then by all means do, but if you think you will probably just get frustrated or upset with them then avoid it.

Now, back to about not being seen. I find that is it VITAL to always state that your character is doing something to hide themselves before you actually interact with them directly (ie. Holding a candle in a way that the shadows hide your face. Or using a hood to help shadow your face.). Always take note of your surroundings and be sure to bring those into the emote, say you are in a dark ally in the middle of the night. Then state that the shadows of the ally are masking your face. And NEVER have them in front of you in this scenario. If they are in front of you then there is still light outside, and it can shine into the ally still and light up your face enough for a person to notice. Vampire role-play is stated to be avoided if you are a newer player. This is for multiple reasons but I think one of them is that you need to pay extra care on what you say or do to avoid being found out. This should work for most bloodlines, however for the ones who have a LOT more physical changes shown then I recommend cloaks or capes. It was not uncommon for a traveler to wear a cloak back in this era, they helped protect you from the environment and with a waxed wool cloak then you should be able to help hide yourself. Just be careful that guards are more than likely going to stop you if they catch you wandering around with a hood on.

 

[BulbousDevourer]

First I would like to say thank you for bringing another topic to the table. Second a bit of input I have with your first problem regarding the eyes. Have you ever had a flashlight shined at your face while you are in the dark? It's hard to even tell what the person looks like right? Sort of appear as just a black figure. I have a character who is a Qul'Ess, granted he lives in the sewers, but I have him carry a candle around with him in the sewers. And when he encounters people I be sure to make an emote saying how he holds the candle in such a way that the shadows help hide his face, making it so that meta-gaming what you character looks like is almost impossible. Granted it can still happen, but I find the best way to feed on people and avoid meta game as a vampire is to firstly pick your targets wisely. While I am not saying to not RP with newer players as a vampire I would say that flat out attacking them might not be a good idea as some of them need to learn still that meta-game and certain things play into the environment. Now, if you are willing to help the new player and explain to them these things then by all means do, but if you think you will probably just get frustrated or upset with them then avoid it.

Now, back to about not being seen. I find that is it VITAL to always state that your character is doing something to hide themselves before you actually interact with them directly (ie. Holding a candle in a way that the shadows hide your face. Or using a hood to help shadow your face.). Always take note of your surroundings and be sure to bring those into the emote, say you are in a dark ally in the middle of the night. Then state that the shadows of the ally are masking your face. And NEVER have them in front of you in this scenario. If they are in front of you then there is still light outside, and it can shine into the ally still and light up your face enough for a person to notice. Vampire role-play is stated to be avoided if you are a newer player. This is for multiple reasons but I think one of them is that you need to pay extra care on what you say or do to avoid being found out. This should work for most bloodlines, however for the ones who have a LOT more physical changes shown then I recommend cloaks or capes. It was not uncommon for a traveler to wear a cloak back in this era, they helped protect you from the environment and with a waxed wool cloak then you should be able to help hide yourself. Just be careful that guards are more than likely going to stop you if they catch you wandering around with a hood on.

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Those are some good ideas, but while it does help from an in character point of view, it still doesn't completely fix the meta gaming problem. The candle idea is totally reasonable, and it usually does remove the whole run for the hills thing, but people will still usually make an effort to avoid you just because they, as the player, know who it was that attacked their character. This isn't always the case, like I said before, but it does happen a lot. Still, it's not really something that can be totally fixed. It's just human nature for people to want to keep their characters safe, and I understand it, but it kind of hurts vampire roleplay as a whole when people make a conscious effort to avoid the roleplay that is a central part of the vampire roleplayer's character. Still, I might test the waters a bit more when it comes to vampire roleplay. The encounters I've had with vampire roleplayers and my few experiences roleplaying a vampire myself have left a bad taste in my mouth, so I've kind of stayed away from the whole thing. Maybe I'll try out one of the more subtle bloodlines like the Chyga bloodline and see how that goes.

 

[FeyWitches]

Those are some good ideas, but while it does help from an in character point of view, it still doesn't completely fix the meta gaming problem. The candle idea is totally reasonable, and it usually does remove the whole run for the hills thing, but people will still usually make an effort to avoid you just because they, as the player, know who it was that attacked their character. This isn't always the case, like I said before, but it does happen a lot. Still, it's not really something that can be totally fixed. It's just human nature for people to want to keep their characters safe, and I understand it, but it kind of hurts vampire roleplay as a whole when people make a conscious effort to avoid the roleplay that is a central part of the vampire roleplayer's character. Still, I might test the waters a bit more when it comes to vampire roleplay. The encounters I've had with vampire roleplayers and my few experiences roleplaying a vampire myself have left a bad taste in my mouth, so I've kind of stayed away from the whole thing. Maybe I'll try out one of the more subtle bloodlines like the Chyga bloodline and see how that goes.

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To be honest, i've been through similar things... Which has left quite the road block for me, to be honest I love vampire roleplay. I find it intriguing and fun. Although, as you said the metagaming thing can be vital to this process... As more newcomers are common, it's real easy to engage in roleplay with someone who is yet to understand (I still respect newcomers). I find more vampire Roleplay on the surface, however there are many people unaware and avoid it directly before engaging within roleplay... I want to play as a vampire wence again but it's quite hard when people cartel their characters so they may not be harmed. I , however, don't care what happens to my chars...

 

[RavenofCrimson]

A lot of these things are the same issues that have pushed me away from role-playing as a vampire as well. The first few times I tried to a player Who used to be in my faction saw me at the tavern and began shouting to everyone that I was a vampire, then proceeded to message me saying that he was going to post it on the forums because it was only fair (fortunately one of the staff members at the time immediately removed it). This was back when there was only one type of vampire and the player community seemed to literally despise and refuse to associate with anyone like that outside of faction territory. I tried to make my vampire act politely and formal when there was something for him to gain but when confronted or even midly annoyed his tendency toward violence became immediately evident which could reveal him as a vampire.

 

[krios41]

If anyone was really good and became a vampire, they'd cure themselves because they live off of blood to survive like leeches.
In a sense you can go to say they're cannibals.

Sure, they can have good morals. But that doesn't make them angels and saints.

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ye
agree
I once had a vampire character that under no circustances would kill because he valued his foodsources life

 

[BeetrootSalad]

Well, I find vampires evil because they let a horrid disease infect their body.They LET it happen.They DIDN'T go see a doctor.I don't know why the violet order even bothers giving vampires a second chance.

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Yes, but some are attacked. I once got tackled and then they started feeding on me.

 

[Mapleveins]

My most recent vampire character is interesting. She's a 28 year old Circci mekephit who dabbles in alchemy. She pretends to be an old woman to lure people into a false sense of security then uses poisoned needles to paralyze or knock out her prey. Speaking of poison I am running low I cri evrytim.

 

[BeetrootSalad]

My most recent vampire character is interesting. She's a 28 year old Circci mekephit who dabbles in alchemy. She pretends to be an old woman to lure people into a false sense of security then uses poisoned needles to paralyze or knock out her prey. Speaking of poison I am running low I cri evrytim.

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I HAVE SOME
Also, could you tell me how she tricks people? This character sounds very interesting.

About vampires, I really dom't like how there are less experienced, fun vampires, than those gothic scarred vampires. I think the tutorial for vampires sould be expanded and have more guide lines than dont do this. Instead of trying to stomp out the cliched ones, what about improving them?

 

[Mapleveins]

Also, could you tell me how she tricks people? This character sounds very interesting.

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Answered in Convo :3