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The Stone Magic Possibilities Page

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This is a small forum to discuss the abilities of stone magic in the abstract, be it sand magic or if you can actually throw stones using environmental manipulation.
 
First up on our agenda!
SAND MAGIC!

A subtype of Environmental Manuipulation

How it works is that you can control very fine gravel (aka very course sand) with environmental manipulation due to this chart dictating the size of the granule.
According to this and a few quotes, you can control smaller pieces in large swarms to larger degrees in accordance with your level, Student can move gravel slowly across the floor, caster can barely lift a small pillar of sand, Mage can easily influence medium grained sand. Of course this is a particular sub-sub branch of environmental manipulation and would therefore have very few students. Which would explain the lack to this date.
 
EnderTheMad said:
Yes but what if you never learned hurling rock!
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Than you're screwed. XD
Anyway, I think Hurling Rock is a lot less taxing and quicker/easier to cast, but still.

So, something I thought of is Gem Magic. A sub-sub form of Environmental Manipulation & Hurling Rock. Gem Magic would probably be a lot more common than sand magic since it uses singular rocks, but it would be quite expensive for combat. Gem Magic could be used by jewelers to shave off different parts of the gem, and if enough of a strong gem can be afforded, it can be used for combat.

Another thing is Ore Magic. Not some kind of Refined Metal Magic, there is a Lightning Magic subschool for that. Ore Magic would control the ore itself. It could be used by Blacksmiths to extract the ore from the stone and it could be used by Miners for quick and precise ore extraction. Who needs pickaxes anyway? This is also a sub-sub form of both Environmental Manipulation & Hurling rock.
 
Sure, currently my char is teaching people in the Golden Pages hideout,
Come pay a visit!

And yes, I have all that stuff figured out ;D
 
I actually got in a fight today there, expert wind Mage vs Mage level Stone (me),
He airblasts you, just summon a wall then try to get him with a sandy prison, then throw him into the wall :P
 
I'm not saying every Sand Mage should be exactly like Gaara,
No, quite the opposite, what I am saying is that we should all take tips from him, base your attack off of huge blunt streams or solidified projectiles, use Sand-created shields for defence but concentrate on defence over offence.
Burying/crushing an opponent is also a good choice though it can be perceived as power gaming, just the sheer weight of the Sand makes it a formidable weapon. Use it to surround them and crush. That's where burying comes in handy, you don't have to deal with surrounding them or whatever, just push them into a territory where you have the advantage.
But we should also take our cues elsewhere, let's take the sandbenders from the Avatar series (I know I'm using anime a lot but hey, who else can control Sand?) they use fluidity over blunt attack. Shift, change, alter and adapt to your opponent. They use air magic? Use more pronged attacks, they use fire? Try to encase them as fast as possible or create a wall and shoot over it, they are a berserking warrior? Try to trip them up as soon as possible.
You see, it's not all about Gaara-style crushing.. make your own UNIQUE style of sand magic.
Speaking of all this makes me feel as if it needs an easy counter and lemme tell you it...
Twofold, sharp weapons, and continued propulsion.
A spear will puncture right through your sand wall, (try to keep them at range) because it has such an aerodynamic profile, (its less useful for slashing weapons though) and is built for puncturing. Now, second weakness... continued propulsion.
An arrow will be stopped by your sand shield, you want to know why? Because once it expends its interia it has nothing to keep pushing forward.
With a spear you are pushing the whole time, great, fun, good for you!
But if an orc bodychecks it it is twofold, one the interia will blow through most of the wall. Two, his legs will vary him the rest of the way through. In theory anything that is big enough and hits it and continues to push, will get their money's worth.
 
EnderTheMad said:
A spear will puncture right through your sand wall, (try to keep them at range) because it has such an aerodynamic profile, (its less useful for slashing weapons though) and is built for puncturing. Now, second weakness... continued propulsion.
An arrow will be stopped by your sand shield, you want to know why? Because once it expends its interia it has nothing to keep pushing forward.
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And frankly, you can nullify both of these weaknesses by simply keeping your wall of sand in motion (like stirring a pot). If they try t stab through it, they most likely get their weapon torn out of their hands.
 
hetalianpasta said:
Well I mean... I think you would need to have sand around to control with Environmental Manipulation. I don't believe you can just make a sandstorm from nothing.
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Yes! You do need sand, that's where tons of noob stone mages slip up, you need Stone in the first place!
Again, taking cues from anime, Gaara carried a gourd around on his back full of his sand. Now, my char eats sand and as a Dakkar he sheds it through his skin, thus making an easy supply, but that's not possible for many mages. Solution?
A: Carry a bag
B: Stand near sand
or C: Make your own, you see, using stone magic means you can push rocks against themselves, do that and out comes pulverized rock AKA gravel, do that again to gravel and it makes sand, problem is that takes a few minutes and a lot of effort.
Good news is you never have to look like an anime wannabe.
 
KiddingAround said:
And frankly, you can nullify both of these weaknesses by simply keeping your wall of sand in motion (like stirring a pot). If they try t stab through it, they most likely get their weapon torn out of their hands.
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Yes that is a great solution, however that takes severe concentration and effort to the point where you can't do anything else while making that shield work... So if you are planning on being defensive that is brilliant, otherwise... not recommended
 
All future Sand mages, please go to the Golden Page Library to learn our art! (No RP learning! Only IC! Just like primal magic)
Ask for Ret
 
Oh my god.. I just realized... with Sand Magic you could pull a sandbender and make a tornado to power your land canoe... NEW TRANSPORTATION?!?
 
EnderTheMad said:
All future Sand mages, please go to the Golden Page Library to learn our art! (No RP learning! Only IC! Just like primal magic)
Ask for Ret
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You could probably post something on the Regalia Notice Board something to spread info about Sand Magic if your character wants to.
**There would be multiple flyers around the sewers**

Bla bla, IC flyer stuff, bla bla.
 
KorgTheCool said:
You could probably post something on the Regalia Notice Board something to spread info about Sand Magic if your character wants to.
**There would be multiple flyers around the sewers**

Bla bla, IC flyer stuff, bla bla.
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(Not the regalian notice board. You want the lore announcements section)
 
Also, could you not shape weapons using this? Like extract stones in the shape of a sword or ...?
 
Depending on the size of the weapon and the strength of the mage, for example, and elf or alior would have little to no chance of being able to use it, but maybe a dakkar or other stronger races would, I mean, dakkars wear rock...
 
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SK8T10 said:
Depending on the size of the weapon and the strench of the mage, for example, and elf or alior would have little to no chance of being able to use it, but maybe a dakkar or other stronger races would, I mean, dakkars wear rock...
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True.. but simply being a Mage decreases your muscle mass, Also they would have little to no experience with the weapon, making it worse than useless
 
SK8T10 said:
Depending on the size of the weapon and the strength of the mage, for example, and elf or alior would have little to no chance of being able to use it, but maybe a dakkar or other stronger races would, I mean, dakkars wear rock...
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Just want to mention, I don't think they can give shape to stones. They can just shift them around.

And Dakkar only have about 20lb of stone on them, so it's not really that much.
 
EnderTheMad said:
Lol, or just keep a crap ton of sand, then shoot the individual grains at insane speeds, boom medieval assault rifle
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I think sand can't work, since you'd have to focus on too many tiny stones all at once. I think it'd wear out even the most expert of mages trying to concentrate on all those different, individual entities.
 
HandsomeJack said:
I think sand can't work, since you'd have to focus on too many tiny stones all at once. I think it'd wear out even the most expert of mages trying to concentrate on all those different, individual entities.
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Yeah, it is hard, that's why only at mage level you can truly use it, you see it's easier with environmental manipulation but trying to hurling stone all of those is practically impossible.
 
From what I skimmed in the article, you could possibly achieve said results by a combination of stone and wind magic. Aka take stone mages to launch projectiles in the air and a wind make to flutter them around a bit.
 
Cain_et_Abel said:
From what I skimmed in the article, you could possibly achieve said results by a combination of stone and wind magic. Aka take stone mages to launch projectiles in the air and a wind make to flutter them around a bit.
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You mean sand magic? Using Environmental Manipulation you can actually use them just so long as it's condensed and course sand and nothing silty and fine, it's lore compliant on those parameters.
 
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